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it is confession time I'm somewhere in

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the skies I've always been a closeted

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punk-rock music kid at heart growing up

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as a straight white Christian male and a

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rather suburban location in Syracuse New

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York I desperately searched for outlets

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to challenge convention you know

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question authority and bands like the

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Sex Pistols The Cramps The Buzzcocks the

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Ramones they caught my attention

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probably at too early of an image but

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this then collided into more recent

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bands like Fugazi Bad Religion Black

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Flag

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I found a sub-genre of music that spoke

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volumes about issues that many shied

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away from both on a micro and macro

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level also below the surface was my

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innate curiosity and underground study

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of UFOs I did this in the shadows

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fearing ridicule and judgment but if

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there was anything punk rock taught me

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it was that you never should be afraid

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of speaking out against Authority and

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forced beliefs I embraced my

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unconventional interests and then

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shouted them from the rooftops to anyone

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who would listen and that was my

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punk-rock ufology and when I found

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today's guest I knew I'd found a kindred

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spirit in both my musical and you Falah

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djegal tastes Mike de Montaigne is the

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author of punk rock in UFOs

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cryptozoology meets anarchy he's worked

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for the Houston Chronicle as a copy

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editor writer reporter and web producer

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he currently produces their mic'd music

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blog and his interview bands and

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musicians like Bad Religion blink-182

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even Eric Smith he currently teaches

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journalism and English in Houston Texas

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today we talk about Mike's book and as

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many theories and what we may be dealing

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with in terms of the UFO question so

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without further ado here's our

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conversation with Mike Demonte all right

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I have been looking forward to this

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interview for a while now and today we

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are going to be talking about two topics

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that are near and dear to my heart and I

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know they are for him as well because he

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has a

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look out and an awesome new website and

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that is punk rocking UFOs and he is Mike

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Demonte thanks so much for joining me on

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someone this guy's today brother

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oh thank you for having me I'm really

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stoked to be on and it's honored to be

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on I've been following your work you

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know for the past year and I just really

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this is something I look Authority for

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for a while so thank you for finally

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having me on

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I'm excited cool well yes the feelings

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are very mutual well Mike for the

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listeners who who may not be familiar

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with your work can you can you give us a

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little background on how your whole

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involvement in the UFO topic really

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started the the inception of your

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craziness

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so when I was a kid my mom used to get

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me there's these time-life books and

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every month they would have a new series

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and be a subscription service and each

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month would be something like the UFO

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phenomenon or mysterious places or

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unknown creatures it was all about the

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unknown each month and as a kid I was

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just fascinated by it I was fascinated

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by the concept of UFOs the unknown the

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unexplained the fact that you know

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there's these things out out there and

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their search for the truth and then I

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was always interested in that

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fast-forward to you know my my college

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years when I was involved in journalism

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you know journalism you know you seek

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the truth and you know I worked in the

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journalism industry for you know I

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worked for a major newspaper for seven

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years as a writer

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reporter copy of your web producer I

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pretty much did everything there for a

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while so I have a deep background in

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journalism so those two things kind of

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went hand in hand but my for right and

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to actually you know being you know

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slowly putting you know getting my toe

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in the door within the industry you know

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just that actually just only happened

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about a year ago I've always been into

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this stuff always but when I decided to

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write the book things kind of took off

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from there and yeah I mean this past

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year just I've really like I said I've

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slowly been involved into the UFO scene

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I guess this year but I've always been

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interested in this topic at a very very

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young age I've never really stopped

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being interested it just really was I

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started writing the book everything just

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kind of snowballed since then yeah it's

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definitely been a whirlwind your name is

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out there now in the UFO community and

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beyond

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it's awesome I it's so refreshing to see

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people my age out there looking into

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this stuff brother so I'm so happy to

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have you

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well let's let's talk about the book the

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title is what really captures the

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imagination punk rock and UFOs

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cryptozoology meets anarchy

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alright you got to tell us a bit about

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why these two topics means so much to

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you and what what do they have in common

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that's a great question that's a

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question I get all the time and it's

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funny cuz you know when I came up with

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the title it just kind of had this

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immediate kind of something catchy about

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it there's just something that kind of

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worked even though on the surface you

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may think wait wha how does this work

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but for some reason the title has been a

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really big selling point for the book

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and for interest in it and I always tell

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people when I'm talking about bunker

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Barak in UFOs and I say punk rock I'm

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not necessarily talking about punk rock

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music I'm talking about the mindset

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between punk rock the rebellious nature

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and I was you know I always tell people

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you know there's a lot of a lot of

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things discussed in the book that talks

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about a rebellious nature as a you know

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as humans right well we choose to

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rebelling against that processor of

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belief you know what beliefs we rebelled

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against which ones do we accept and so

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that's kinda where the punk rock aspects

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comes in as well also cryptozoology you

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know it's an underdog science

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anyone who rep listening to punk rock

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music oh the punk rock scene you know

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you just had the underdog mentality so I

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was uh you know Kirby zoology as the

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underdog science kind of went hand in

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hand to the theme so and everyone always

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ask me what my book is about the short

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answer I give them it's about

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cryptozoology as an underdog science

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that's awesome hey I can't think of a

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better way to put it we all always root

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for the underdog and anyone who grew up

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listening to punk music I was definitely

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one of those suburban kids who try

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desperately you know to stand out you do

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feel that often and you feel that often

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in the UFO field and cryptozoological

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field as well so I think a lot of people

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can relate to that like I'm so glad you

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went with that well one of the one of

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the first things that stood out about

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the book was the cover art you've got

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this like this funky-looking UFO

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shooting a beam that breaks through a

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roof of a floating house it's sucking up

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like a [\h__\h] ton of people it's super

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eye-catching you got to tell us about

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that

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who who did this and what was the

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impetus behind it all right so the

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artwork is by alexei tina he is a tattoo

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artist in Houston where I reside it's

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been a friend of mine for years and he

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I've seen his you know whose tattoo

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artwork before and I just made sense to

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me you know I was like look he he has

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really cool he's into this stuff too

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so if you look at some of the other

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artwork in the book like I'm the back

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cover there's a skull that UFOs all and

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inside the skull there's this really

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cool design of a UFO at a campsite and I

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just thought his artwork was so rad

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really creative and you could tell you

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know there's another in the book there's

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a hand shaking hands with almost like a

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reptilian and in the background there's

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a pyramid with like a UFO over it like

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he has really cool concepts so I thought

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tattoo art would be perfect to go with

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the concept of the book to go with the

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aesthetic of the book and everything so

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I met him up one night and I pitched it

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on my cake we kind of use your art in

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the book and he was down I didn't have

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to commission anything and a lot of the

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art was already done so what you're

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seeing actually on the cover is an

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actual tattoo that was done on a person

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and that was lifted the artists lifted

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it from the skin and kind of transposed

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it into the photograph you see on the

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cover

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Wow that's pretty awesome

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well let's let's get into the book a

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little bit in the first chapter you know

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going off with a cryptozoological aspect

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you talk about Bigfoot which we don't

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hear about often in UFO books but it is

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definitely something I find of interest

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and I know some of the listeners were

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like what's your argument that Bigfoot

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is real even amongst hoaxes you know

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we've seen all these fake videos and

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photos of UFOs but this happens in the

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Bigfoot community as well but I know

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that you have personal experience with

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having a debate on Bigfoot could you

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sort of run us through that story yeah

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so the reason why I included this in the

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book is yeah it's called the chapters

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called the great Bigfoot debate and it's

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just kind of an example of kind of how

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you know cryptozoology sometimes look

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down upon and when I was working at

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decent Chronicle at the time I was at

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this is when I was web producing this is

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probably my last year there and Eric

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burgers his name he was the the science

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and weather writer and I always really

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liked him I really didn't really

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deal with that much I always respect him

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because he was he was rugged journalist

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yoga die his job and I think one day he

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tweeted something about how one in three

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Americans believe in Bigfoot or

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something and then he kind of made like

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some snide joke so we started to go back

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and forth on Twitter and one of the the

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bosses when the higher-ups caught winter

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that and I was like crap I'm in trouble

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you know if we go at it with this guy

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you know who's you know higher up in the

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food chain than me but actually they

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wanted to do is they wanted to actually

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have us debate on it was I think Google

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hangout which is relatively new at the

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time and you shoulda just actually just

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taped it and put on YouTube because

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basically the the whole being was just

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kind of it would cut in and out and the

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whole production aspect of it was just

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kind of a mess but yeah yes the actual

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debate itself was pretty fun there's

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some things he was a corporal with me

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bringing up I had a time like religion

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because he want to offend readership but

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you know my main argument was we're

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constantly discovering new species all

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the time I think a year prior to when we

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had this debate they discovered the

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largest cave in the world in Brazil

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which has been hiding there this whole

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time so if there's something that large

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I could be undiscovered and there's new

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species being discovered all the time

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why not Bigfoot it in spite of all the

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hoaxes you know I mean if you go back to

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I mean these stories you know very much

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like UFOs I mean these stories have been

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going back for you know these sightings

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is go back for centuries it is it is a

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folklore or is it is it Americana is it

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is it truth you know why you know these

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stories have been passed on for

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generations and generations that people

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can sing Bigfoot just like they've been

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seen UFOs for generations and

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generations as well so that's my

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argument for the existence of a Bigfoot

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very interesting and I know someone like

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Jacques la would definitely agree with

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you there

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one of the preeminent people in our

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field definitely a hero and also still

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coming up with new ideas as culture

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progresses and as the phenomenon seems

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to as well so that's that's great

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you have a chapter in the book Mike

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titled UFO army which is awesome by the

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way you bring up okay I'm no geologist

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of no scientist a chemist whatever this

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happens to be but bdellium could could

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you tell us a little bit about this

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what it has to do with the alien

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question well when I was writing the

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book you know there's the cutouts you

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know I had my topics that are gonna

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tackle and there's that that chapter

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just kind of stands out it's kind of

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random but I do think you know I was

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really fascinating with the idea that

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you know there's a lot of theories that

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aliens you know they visiting our planet

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for our Earth's natural resources but

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for some reason blade iam really stood

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out to me just because it basically is

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it's a water-soluble gum and it's kind

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of found in medicines commonly found

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Africa it's also referenced in the Bible

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too which was really interesting to me

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as a precious stone or crystal now that

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goes so that kind of sparked a little

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interested me a precious stone a crystal

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you know we talk about the crystal

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skulls that are found and many people

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have described some UFOs looking at

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crystal like and you know crystal skulls

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were also considered a symbol of

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regeneration to the Aztecs so to me that

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was absolutely fascinating so I think

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the the really interesting thing about

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this stuff when you're interested is

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trying to pee stuff together whether it

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fits or not is just kind of the the

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journey the adventure to try the pee

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stuff together sitting with fits and

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what works and what's not a lot of is

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just theory right but it's absolutely

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fascinating how we can tie so much stuff

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into theories about our our existence

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our beginnings and UFOs and visitations

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absolutely and I mean the whole idea of

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theory is something I found prevalent in

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every chapter of your book

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you're not just recounting old cases

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you're not giving someone else's you

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know statement on what it was

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you're theorizing new possibilities for

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what these UFOs could be and I think

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that's what really stood out in the book

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for me and made me really think I mean

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there's some some things we'll talk

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about in a moment that kind of blew my

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mind in your book but I want to I want

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to trace back to your career as a

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journalist but you bring up an amazing

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quote in Chapter four of your book and

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this has stuck with me I kind of stolen

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it from you so I apologize and this was

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from a Dead Kennedys member can you tell

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us what this quote is and what how it

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relates to UFOs well it's don't hate the

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media become the media and that was by

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Joe Abbey offer from the Dead Kennedys

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and at the time when I was in college I

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remember

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you know I was heavily into journalism

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classes I was also working at The

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Chronicle while in college I was writing

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all the time I was you know very into

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the early mindset of punk rock you know

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that the rebellious nature of it but as

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more of a rebellion you know you know I

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kind of mentioned this in the book too

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even as a young kid I was very

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rebellious not in the sense where I was

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I'd misbehaved but I was always

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rebellious in a way I thought but I you

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know I rebelled against you know

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different doll systems and beliefs

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rather you know behaviorally so when I

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was in college and you know listened to

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all these bands and stuff it kind of

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that quote really you know stuck with me

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because a lot of people aren't media

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literate I just remember you know I just

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want professor he was super woke like

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Batman

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I've never he even like he even kind of

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gave me crap for working at The

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Chronicle like I was a sellout and I'm

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like dude I'm in college like this is a

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big deal with me to have this job

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following less like less progressive to

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you that I'm working in for the

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quote-unquote mainstream media like come

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on but I always thought I was gonna that

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kind of stuck out but no I mean that

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quotes true you know that there's a lot

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of myths about the media and how it

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works and you know a lot of people

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aren't media literate and I wanted to

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kind of talk about in the book

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specifically how stories in general not

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just you have stories you know UFO

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stories surgeongeneral how they're

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placed and how they're covered you know

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a lot of people always look at broadcast

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media and broadcast media it's a ratings

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driven industry so you know that's why

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you kind of see you know CNN pretty much

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the same story being played up all day

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right story of the day is getting all

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the attention with UFO stories you know

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they're you know they're they're good

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for you know a day you really don't see

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much follow-ups which has always been my

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kind of beef with how UFOs are covering

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the mainstream you know you get the

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initial story you get the you know the

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photo of the eyewitness testimony the

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video and then nothing after that which

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is always been frustrating but lately I

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feel like we've been seeing a lot more

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stories in mainstream media I would say

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the past year or so I guess I wrote the

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book I feel like I mean my book has

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nothing to do with that but I feel like

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don't cut yourself short

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no it almost proves my argument wrong

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you know that these you know we're

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seeing more of these stories now but you

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know once again it's it's

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how they're covered you know if you know

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if you live in you know for example you

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live in Queens right if you know there's

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UFO sighting in Queens is that going to

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be the top story of the day on the news

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no I probably get about three minutes on

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your on your local television coverage

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you know but it's not going to be the

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top story of the day even though in my

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opinion you know something like that

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should be considered one of the top

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stories of the day good point yeah and

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like you said it

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there'll be no follow-up what was that

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UFO you never hear about it it's you're

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right it's broadcast journalism it's

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sensationalism

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it's the fluff between commercials or

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the product so yeah I can't agree with

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you more well in terms of these theories

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I want to get back to that mic because

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you bring some pretty ambitious things

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forward one of them was from Rick

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Strassman

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and DMT and how they might be connected

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to UFOs or possibly even the abduction

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phenomenon can you walk us through what

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mr. strausmann is theorized well I'll

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just go through kind of the general idea

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so basically everyone who not everyone

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but most people who have either a

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near-death experience have this the same

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type of the same type of experience they

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type of phenomenon whether it's a you

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know they see a light they hear a voice

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some of them actually even hear or see

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aliens they describe it as an alien or

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an Angelica experience and DMT is

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actually a synthetic drug where you can

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actually recreate that experience which

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would be crazy to try I would but to me

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that was really fascinating because you

520
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know if you listen to what these people

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who had these near-death experiences

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what they some of the things that they

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go through is very similar to a people

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who've been abducted described - so

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though that was really fascinating the

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fact that you know they hear voices a

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lot of times you know they have this

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sense that these voices or someone from

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their past someone that they've known

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you know they see a light there's this

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feeling of almost you know not being you

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know in full control and you know these

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are all their you know similarities to

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many abduction cases as well it almost

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seems like you're in the same suspended

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type of reality you know yeah well in

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terms of reality you also bring up the

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work of dr. Robert Lanza

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and this has to do with consciousness

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and this is something that I've been

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looking at a lot lately

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some other UFO researchers have looking

543
00:20:23,630 --> 00:20:21,240
at other than the nuts and bolts ufology

544
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,640
that were all used to could you explain

545
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,640
this theory that mr. Landis brought

546
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:28,320
forward in terms of consciousness in

547
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:31,380
UFOs yeah well the UFO part I tied the

548
00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:33,570
UFO part into that just because I had

549
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:35,550
this crazy theory but Robert Lanza he

550
00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:37,530
basically says that our souls have

551
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:40,110
consciousness so basically it's you know

552
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:42,600
our souls in the biblical sense it's not

553
00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:43,860
in the biblical sense but basically our

554
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:45,990
souls are an energy force or a life

555
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:47,490
force that holds our consciousness in

556
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,530
them so when we die our memories go with

557
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:51,600
us by our souls you know all our

558
00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:52,890
consciousness and our memories and

559
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,620
everything doesn't die that lives on our

560
00:21:00,320 --> 00:20:58,080
physical body dies so that's that's kind

561
00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:00,330
of what he said so from there I was

562
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:01,830
thinking and I came up with his theory

563
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:03,930
you know what if our souls in our

564
00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:06,810
consciousness what if when we die that

565
00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:09,240
is how we can get to heaven and by

566
00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:10,620
heaven I don't mean in the biblical

567
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:12,900
sense what if heaven is a place that we

568
00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:14,850
cannot in our current life form we

569
00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:16,710
cannot visit whether it's another part

570
00:21:19,550 --> 00:21:17,460
of the universe

571
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:19,560
or another dimension but what if that's

572
00:21:23,870 --> 00:21:21,330
how we go there right our cognition or

573
00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:23,880
memories go that's what goes you know to

574
00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:25,950
heaven and that's kind of my theory and

575
00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:27,320
that kind of ties back into another

576
00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:30,270
strange theory I have about UFOs in

577
00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:31,920
general about there's a lot of people

578
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:33,870
talk about defcons and they always

579
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,940
consider it is an angelic experience and

580
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:37,200
I just threw this out there you know

581
00:21:39,650 --> 00:21:38,370
it's not something I fully believe but

582
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:39,660
you know what if you know because of

583
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:41,490
UFOs have been they've been there

584
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:42,810
they've been know most likely they're

585
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:45,030
watching over us right so what if in

586
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:46,050
some weird way they're kind of like

587
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:48,330
guardian angels you know or when I say

588
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:49,290
there were at Angel's everyone's gonna

589
00:21:52,550 --> 00:21:50,490
think in the biblical sense but what if

590
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:52,560
they were something kind of like that

591
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:54,090
you know or what if that's what happens

592
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:56,310
to our life form you know eventually

593
00:22:00,080 --> 00:21:58,140
once we get to you know these other

594
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:00,090
universes when our conscious maybe I

595
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:02,850
mean I know this all sounds crazy but

596
00:22:06,170 --> 00:22:04,200
it's just something that I think is kind

597
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,180
of fascinating like the book is very

598
00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:07,980
very driven and that just kind of

599
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:10,230
happened through my research the more I

600
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:12,210
write up on certain stuff I just started

601
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:13,620
out pathi sighs my own theories about

602
00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:15,930
who just buy time together some things I

603
00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:18,390
previously read and I think that's kind

604
00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:19,590
of the fascinating part being interest

605
00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:21,240
in this stuff you know you're you tip

606
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:22,710
you're taking puzzle pieces and you're

607
00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:23,940
putting it together and you're coming up

608
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,260
with these theories

609
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:26,400
some of them are absolutely impossible

610
00:22:31,790 --> 00:22:29,250
to test like this one there's absolutely

611
00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:31,800
nobody really test this but I still

612
00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:33,630
thought it was something I really wanted

613
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:34,950
to include in the book because I thought

614
00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:37,500
it was a very interesting take I had on

615
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,990
it whether I truly believe it or not I

616
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:41,580
don't think that's the question I think

617
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:42,810
it's just kind of interesting if they're

618
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,730
out there that would have absolutely and

619
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:46,260
I mean another one of those theories

620
00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:48,030
that you bring up in the book is that of

621
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,910
wormholes and we do we do hear about a

622
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:53,280
lot of this in terms of some of the more

623
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,380
mainstream scientists looking at how

624
00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:58,080
UFOs could travel here you know some

625
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:01,980
that such vast distances and one of the

626
00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:04,290
things you brought up was this is pretty

627
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:06,180
cool cuz I'm actually working on a

628
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:07,830
presentation right now about the Bermuda

629
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:10,110
Triangle and triangles throughout the

630
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:12,780
world and these these vortices and these

631
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:15,990
possible like time warps and wormholes

632
00:23:19,790 --> 00:23:18,510
is one of those and you I know for a

633
00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:19,800
fact have been to the moon metre

634
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,720
triangle and you also brought up the

635
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:24,240
case about Bruce Gernon and jr. and this

636
00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:25,890
was fascinating this was a man who

637
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:28,470
actually went through the triangle and

638
00:23:31,940 --> 00:23:29,850
survived could you tell us a little

639
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:31,950
about this so I remember that was one of

640
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:34,770
the first things as a kid I read was the

641
00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:35,940
hope it was a whole book I think on

642
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,470
mysterious places and it talked about

643
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:39,120
the rear triangle and his case

644
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:40,890
specifically I never it had really cool

645
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,690
artwork to go with it so as a kid I was

646
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:44,220
just really you know fascinated and

647
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:46,770
drawn to it so basically he was you know

648
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:48,510
one of the only people to go through it

649
00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:50,850
and it was really fascinating is how he

650
00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:53,190
was able to make all this time because I

651
00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:54,300
think when he got out of the the

652
00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:56,310
wormhole he was in Miami Beach yeah

653
00:24:01,580 --> 00:23:58,620
everybody Florida and the time that

654
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:01,590
passed there be no possible way to make

655
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:04,050
it from the rear triangle to the Miami

656
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,580
Beach location in something like three

657
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:08,720
minutes so that defies you know all

658
00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:11,610
logic and science which is really

659
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,870
fascinating what he saw when he went

660
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:14,580
through you know just the kind of like

661
00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:16,050
the how he described it would have

662
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:17,790
looked like with the the live the lines

663
00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:20,880
and I think even so there was even saw a

664
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:23,550
cylinder shaped object which everyone

665
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:25,890
who follows UFOs know that you know one

666
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:27,450
of the most common UFOs is a cylinder

667
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:29,400
shape wound so yeah I definitely believe

668
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:31,080
that you know these wormholes they're

669
00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:33,810
specific spots on earth that could be a

670
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:36,150
key to you know traveling to these other

671
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:38,070
galaxies and dimensions and these

672
00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:40,530
versus that we aren't technologically or

673
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:43,230
maybe even spiritually advanced yet to

674
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,680
to go to I think our approach when it

675
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,440
comes to you know technology and you

676
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:51,120
know from alien ships I think we're just

677
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:52,980
i think we're doing it wrong you know I

678
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:54,330
think we have to throw away everything

679
00:24:59,300 --> 00:24:56,520
we know conventionally about flight and

680
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:59,310
spittin and space travel just from you

681
00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:00,600
know what I've known about for my

682
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:02,040
research about you know reverse

683
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:04,890
engineered and ufos and what people

684
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:07,050
believe about that you know a lot of

685
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:08,100
people believe they run on something

686
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:10,890
called free energy which is an idea and

687
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:13,620
a concept that the the Nazis tried to

688
00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:14,580
when they were trying to

689
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:16,830
reverse-engineer UFOs of their own that

690
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:17,970
was something that they were trying to

691
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:20,010
find as well so I think you know it

692
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:22,650
comes to the space travel and I just

693
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,420
think we're still light-years behind to

694
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:26,940
even get there at this point but back to

695
00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:30,000
you know wormholes and the idea of you

696
00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:30,780
know traveling through different

697
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:32,040
universes in the Bermuda Triangle I

698
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:33,210
think the beaver trying was definitely

699
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:34,920
you know when those anomalies when I was

700
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:37,830
a kid we took a family cruise to Bermuda

701
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:40,440
and I remember you know you pass through

702
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:43,140
you go around the triangle obviously but

703
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:45,810
you know they make it known on me on the

704
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:48,360
boat that hey you know this is the time

705
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:50,970
we're gonna be passing through it they

706
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:52,890
warned of fog and I remember I went out

707
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:55,410
there cuz I was crazy I guess I wanted

708
00:25:59,840 --> 00:25:58,050
to see you first yeah and I was putting

709
00:26:00,980 --> 00:25:59,850
probably the only one on the deck you

710
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,990
know I just remember standing there and

711
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:02,580
I just remember it was just fog you

712
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:03,450
couldn't see a thing

713
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:06,600
it was just really eerie feeling like

714
00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:07,860
you're not supposed to be there like

715
00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:09,390
there's just a sense of danger but

716
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:12,060
excited at the same time you know and it

717
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:13,590
was a feeling I never really had before

718
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:16,140
in my life and a young age like that's

719
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:18,090
something I always stood by me so yeah

720
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:19,530
it was definitely once in a lot of time

721
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:21,030
experiences it's just kind of being so

722
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:22,290
close to it you know

723
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:24,810
yeah just feeling the energy and it was

724
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:27,630
it was odd but it was definitely I can

725
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:30,840
only imagine man I mean I I cannot put

726
00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:32,490
myself in your shoes but I know a lot of

727
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:34,950
witnesses to UFOs have said the same

728
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:37,050
thing you know I felt like I was not

729
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,970
supposed to be there at the time

730
00:26:43,220 --> 00:26:41,340
others claimed that yes it was meant to

731
00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:43,230
be I was meant to see this but we do

732
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:46,230
here often with more of these more close

733
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:48,690
encounter cases that some this seemed

734
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,050
like it was planned or that this was

735
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,260
some sort of performance piece by some

736
00:27:00,290 --> 00:26:58,080
greater power or intelligence and that

737
00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:00,300
they were seeing how you would react and

738
00:27:05,270 --> 00:27:03,390
how your emotions would run a gamut it's

739
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:05,280
fascinating and you have to wonder if

740
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:07,050
this has anything to do with their

741
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:09,570
Bermuda Triangle as well so I commend

742
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:11,640
you for even going out on the deck of

743
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:14,850
that boat man more than I can maybe I

744
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:15,960
was trying to get away from my family

745
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,740
they were driving a crazy decision yeah

746
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:21,900
as a kid there's only so much you can do

747
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:25,230
so for me that was my this is what I'm

748
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:26,640
just the one thing I want to do I want

749
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:28,860
to you know experience maybe a triangle

750
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:30,030
hopefully I don't get sucked into it

751
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:32,850
yeah man I mean I remember when I was a

752
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:34,830
kid and I my parents pissed me off I

753
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:37,050
went and camped out in the backyard but

754
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:40,860
you went out into the Bermuda Triangle

755
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:44,730
well other than let's say time-traveling

756
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:47,730
guardian angels with all your research

757
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:50,220
do you have any personal thoughts on

758
00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:52,980
what UFOs are you know we've we've

759
00:27:57,860 --> 00:27:55,470
theorized we've come up with different

760
00:28:00,050 --> 00:27:57,870
ideas of what they could be what do you

761
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,060
as Mike de Montaigne what do you think

762
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:02,880
UFOs are is it a mixture of just a bunch

763
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:05,130
of stuff is it coming from one source

764
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:06,930
what do you personally feel I'm gonna

765
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:09,450
put you on the spot here that's a really

766
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:10,230
good question

767
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,350
I believe that they've always been here

768
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,880
I believe UFOs are what they are I think

769
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:17,040
they are extraterrestrial

770
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,210
I think there's galaxies and there's

771
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,440
universes that you know though we know

772
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:24,720
we keep we we haven't been able to get

773
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:26,250
there yet you know we're light-years

774
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:28,950
away from even discovering there and you

775
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:30,690
know it's pretty arrogant I think for us

776
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,190
to think we're the only ones out there

777
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:34,020
you know let alone intelligent life and

778
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:35,640
you know it's you know in the book I

779
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:37,140
talk about the the the the Fermi paradox

780
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:39,060
and how it's kind of a blow to our ego

781
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:41,970
that we're not only the that were not

782
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:44,400
the king of the jungle right in terms of

783
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:46,650
the universe you know and one of the

784
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:47,970
things that the Fermi paradox talks

785
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,890
about is you know what if these other

786
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,320
civilizations are hostile you know you

787
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:54,120
know I was trying to send out signals

788
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:55,920
and try to get contact with some of

789
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,750
these civil issues we don't want to be

790
00:29:00,680 --> 00:28:59,760
calling you know almost Hollywood almost

791
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,690
like Hollywood all right like you've

792
00:29:03,770 --> 00:29:02,460
seen a movie but I think there's you

793
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:03,780
know there's something to say there I

794
00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:05,090
think that's what

795
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:06,950
like the Fermi paradox is a very

796
00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:10,460
underrated aspect in terms of I think in

797
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:13,640
discussion of UFOs and now things that

798
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:15,049
kind of stood out to me but no I always

799
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:17,090
believed that extraterrestrial nature

800
00:29:20,110 --> 00:29:18,890
they've always been here you go back to

801
00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:20,120
the beginning of time you know just from

802
00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:22,520
you know various cultures and societies

803
00:29:26,409 --> 00:29:24,679
have experienced and reported on the

804
00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:26,419
same phenomenon appears in every

805
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,299
religion some type of reference just

806
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:30,559
just through the English in the early

807
00:29:34,450 --> 00:29:32,390
civilizations you know through the

808
00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:34,460
Sumerians on and I would think that's

809
00:29:38,139 --> 00:29:36,190
very fascinating is to start with early

810
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:38,149
civilizations the fact that these early

811
00:29:42,130 --> 00:29:40,190
civilizations are referencing fallen

812
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,140
people from the sky you know I think

813
00:29:46,029 --> 00:29:43,760
that's that's very telling

814
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,039
yeah and for people to kind of overlook

815
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:47,600
that it's just kind of my boggling and I

816
00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:48,890
know it's a blow to a lot of people's

817
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:50,360
religions but it's like basically every

818
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:52,610
religion basically believes aren't the

819
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,289
same thing the stories are similar you

820
00:29:58,210 --> 00:29:56,960
know the the the names are different

821
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,220
some of the times are different but

822
00:30:02,409 --> 00:29:59,600
there's very there's a lot of

823
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,419
similarities and I just think you know

824
00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:04,640
it shouldn't be a blow to our ego as

825
00:30:08,049 --> 00:30:06,649
humans that if aliens were around the

826
00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:08,059
whole time you know they influenced so

827
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,260
much of our culture and you know if

828
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:10,640
that's something that the governments

829
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:12,020
hide and I think that's ridiculous to

830
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:13,580
hide you know we know they've been

831
00:30:17,769 --> 00:30:15,950
keeping stuff from us you know for years

832
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:17,779
and I think it's really cool when you

833
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,730
hear people who were once involved in

834
00:30:24,639 --> 00:30:21,440
government like Paul le a he was a

835
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,649
former a Canadian defense part of the

836
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,440
kated defense team to come out and

837
00:30:31,570 --> 00:30:29,360
straight-up admitted yes they exist

838
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:31,580
yes governments no yes government's been

839
00:30:35,409 --> 00:30:34,130
in contact I think it's amazing I invest

840
00:30:37,149 --> 00:30:35,419
another thing to you like that should be

841
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,159
a huge story yeah that shouldn't be a

842
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,919
story that's just kind of out there that

843
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:42,080
should be top story you know that's be

844
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:43,070
front-page news

845
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:44,390
that's my beliefs I believe that they

846
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:46,460
they've always been here and I

847
00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:48,500
subscribed you some of the ancient

848
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,080
astronaut and some of the some of the

849
00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:53,360
teachings from zechariah stitch and i

850
00:30:56,019 --> 00:30:54,740
definitely subscribe to some of those

851
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:56,029
believes not oh there was a lot of my

852
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,250
kind of out there but i definitely think

853
00:31:01,389 --> 00:30:59,840
you know they've been here since

854
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:01,399
beginning of time and they've influenced

855
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:03,590
you know our culture and mythology you

856
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:04,970
know it's really fascinating that you

857
00:31:08,769 --> 00:31:07,250
know religion and even greek mythology

858
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:08,779
and others you know mythologies you know

859
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,730
that there actually be truth to it you

860
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,320
know if you you know i'm a big fan of

861
00:31:15,789 --> 00:31:14,240
like comic books and superheroes and a

862
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:15,799
lot of people say like superheroes a

863
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:17,570
comic books or our modern-day mythology

864
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:18,130
but

865
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:19,240
when you go back and actually you know

866
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:20,740
read mythology and then he read it

867
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:23,230
detects from for various religions and

868
00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:25,240
it's like wow they actually kind of go

869
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:27,340
hand in hand and then you time in

870
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:29,830
historical accounts as well you know

871
00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:31,570
these stories aren't you know they're

872
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:33,160
not mutually exclusive to it you to each

873
00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:34,810
other you know there's a lot of overlap

874
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:35,920
in them and I think that's really

875
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:38,740
fascinating absolutely yeah and I mean

876
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:41,260
there's so much to to draw from as well

877
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:43,180
in terms of comics and then going back

878
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:45,730
from that and back from that it is it's

879
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:47,290
a snowball effect it's throughout

880
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:49,000
culture it's throughout belief systems

881
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,730
and it's throughout government too and I

882
00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:52,960
want to talk about that a little bit

883
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:55,150
Mike in terms of disclosure you brought

884
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:57,190
up Paul Hellyer we've had many

885
00:32:02,880 --> 00:31:58,930
whistleblowers who've come forward and

886
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:02,890
said yes we have life forms or we've we

887
00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:05,860
have found technology from et and we've

888
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:08,440
reverse engineered it but we don't have

889
00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:10,930
that grand disclosure that some people

890
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:13,720
in the UFO community strive for yea or

891
00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:15,700
nay on disclosure what are your thoughts

892
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:18,220
on this I mean there's always the you

893
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:19,630
know the idea that there's

894
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:22,090
disinformation campaigns right that

895
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:23,980
project Bluebook isn't just

896
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:26,530
informational campaign and you know the

897
00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:28,120
CIA and the government puts out false

898
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:29,470
stories out there I mean there's always

899
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:30,730
that belief I think there should be a

900
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:32,710
skepticism when it comes to what the

901
00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:34,270
government tells us and doesn't tell us

902
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:36,340
but at the same time you know it's it's

903
00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:37,690
the point where it's what we choose to

904
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:39,820
believe or I process ibly the government

905
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,350
could disclose all this stuff from

906
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:43,120
Project Blue Book but as to beat us as a

907
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:45,280
society to care about it I think deeply

908
00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:46,990
they know that the majority of society

909
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:48,790
does not care enough they can release

910
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:51,330
all these sketches and photos and

911
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:53,650
stories right that have been reported

912
00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:55,480
they can always us all they want but if

913
00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:57,640
the general population and populace

914
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:59,860
doesn't care you know who's that

915
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:01,480
appeasing who's gonna look at it you

916
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:04,690
know people like us and then skeptical

917
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:06,580
look at it as well but as long as the

918
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:07,750
mainstream doesn't care I mean as a

919
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,160
society you know we're just kind of

920
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:11,340
pacified by you know pop culture our

921
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:14,770
interests fluff war or politics we have

922
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:16,630
so much other things that are kind of at

923
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:18,310
the forefront of what we give attention

924
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,110
to you're so I think the government

925
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:22,000
could disclose all they want until you

926
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:24,700
have a Prescott elvis' press conference

927
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:26,470
but the world leaders admitting it then

928
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,710
I think you know the the the mainstream

929
00:33:32,019 --> 00:33:31,360
public will take notice but you know

930
00:33:33,339 --> 00:33:32,029
just you know

931
00:33:35,229 --> 00:33:33,349
if the government discloses you know a

932
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,239
few things here and there it's not a big

933
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,519
story which is a shame well in like you

934
00:33:42,609 --> 00:33:39,919
said even if the President or the world

935
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:42,619
leaders all came together and said yes

936
00:33:47,109 --> 00:33:43,580
there is

937
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,119
eg life out there its life goes on we'll

938
00:33:50,889 --> 00:33:49,039
go back to our jobs we'll keep talking

939
00:33:53,649 --> 00:33:50,899
about war we'll keep you know arguing

940
00:33:55,419 --> 00:33:53,659
over Facebook and Twitter it's just it's

941
00:33:57,639 --> 00:33:55,429
the way it's the way of the world now

942
00:34:00,099 --> 00:33:57,649
especially with the internet so you do

943
00:34:02,619 --> 00:34:00,109
have to wonder if that disclosure never

944
00:34:04,989 --> 00:34:02,629
happened what what will it be what is

945
00:34:08,109 --> 00:34:04,999
that hypothetical reaction to it

946
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:08,119
throughout the economy religion the

947
00:34:13,029 --> 00:34:11,059
overall psychology of you know history

948
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,039
books everything yeah I think there's a

949
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,720
general fear from the governments and

950
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:16,639
that if this stuff gets out there you

951
00:34:20,019 --> 00:34:18,169
know life as we know it's gonna cease to

952
00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:20,029
end or you know people are gonna you

953
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,470
know our history books and religions are

954
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:23,599
all gonna be have to be written but I

955
00:34:26,769 --> 00:34:25,129
don't think you know it's not gonna be

956
00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:26,779
anarchy in the streets you know I mean

957
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:28,700
like if anything these are these are

958
00:34:32,019 --> 00:34:30,950
things we deserve to know as human race

959
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,029
there's no reason why this stuff should

960
00:34:35,169 --> 00:34:33,679
be hidden and I mean you know I hate to

961
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:35,179
you know but the truth is out there you

962
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,609
know people have had their own theories

963
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,720
and there's there's there's a lot of

964
00:34:43,419 --> 00:34:40,159
evidence to back up different people's

965
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,429
beliefs about our DNA and you know kind

966
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,440
of where we originated from so all that

967
00:34:48,789 --> 00:34:47,359
stuff is out there so if the government

968
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:48,799
came out and finally admitted it I only

969
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:52,010
could be a giant you know blow to the to

970
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:53,720
the human psyche and I think that's

971
00:34:56,619 --> 00:34:55,010
something about they're irrationally

972
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:56,629
worried about mm-hmm

973
00:35:00,519 --> 00:34:58,250
moving away from the book a little Mike

974
00:35:04,319 --> 00:35:00,529
let's let's move to your website in your

975
00:35:06,579 --> 00:35:04,329
blog punk rocking ufos calm no is this a

976
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:06,589
continuation of the book or how do you

977
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,140
the this is a rather new site how do you

978
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:11,990
see this site and what its going to

979
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:14,569
contribute to the whole UFO discussion

980
00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:16,730
well it's I wanted to continue writing

981
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,980
about this subject in terms of doing

982
00:35:23,319 --> 00:35:20,960
things that were a little outside the

983
00:35:24,549 --> 00:35:23,329
box so I think the idea of punk rock

984
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:24,559
near throws the book was a little

985
00:35:28,779 --> 00:35:26,660
outside of the box as well so the

986
00:35:32,049 --> 00:35:28,789
website I wanted to take something that

987
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,059
mixes cryptozoology and culture and I

988
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:33,680
want it to be you know have some serious

989
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:35,150
articles and discussions on there as

990
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:36,920
well but also do more featuring things

991
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:38,150
you know like one of the first people I

992
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:39,650
featured was you because I always

993
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:42,260
thought you were somebody who was very

994
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,750
likeable and approach

995
00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:46,480
and I was a huge fan of your book and

996
00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:47,740
everything you're doing and I thought

997
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:49,540
you were an easy target to go to first

998
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:52,060
right Alex I wanted to kind of you know

999
00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:54,130
appeal to a younger audience kind of as

1000
00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:56,200
well so I always kind of when people ask

1001
00:36:00,690 --> 00:35:57,820
me about the website uh-huh I kind of

1002
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,700
joke is like well think like Maxim but

1003
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:02,320
like for cryptozoology but without all

1004
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:07,330
the scantily clad women just something a

1005
00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:09,010
little more feature you like for example

1006
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:10,990
I interviewed my Aukerman from The

1007
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:13,240
Descendants in October and I asked him

1008
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:15,730
about UFOs and I saved that question so

1009
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:17,050
when I watched the site you know I was

1010
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,460
able to do stuff like that you know have

1011
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:20,560
different people's takes on it yeah and

1012
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:22,390
I want to interview people involved

1013
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:23,950
within the scene who have something

1014
00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:27,490
interesting or new perspective or are

1015
00:36:31,530 --> 00:36:29,560
interested in stuff outside of UFOs that

1016
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,540
we can all kind of bring together for

1017
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:33,910
example Academy Jason just McCowen who

1018
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:35,080
you know you're good friends with and

1019
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:37,750
yeah I know big beer connoisseur so I

1020
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:39,400
really wanted to get his take on UFO

1021
00:36:44,339 --> 00:36:41,530
beers as well so besides talking to him

1022
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:44,349
about you know about UFOs and his

1023
00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:45,940
beliefs and his new podcast I wanted to

1024
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:47,590
guess take on you know what's the best

1025
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:49,450
because there's so many themed UFO beers

1026
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:51,070
out there I want to get his take on that

1027
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:53,830
so that's kind of the goal the site is

1028
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:55,810
so you know report on things that I

1029
00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:58,450
think are interesting and newsworthy I

1030
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:01,930
also try to bring in more people to the

1031
00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:04,210
subject as well and just kind of kind of

1032
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:05,800
get to know the people involved in it as

1033
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:07,150
well you know their interests

1034
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,250
you know merger interest outside of UFOs

1035
00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:11,680
as well onto it right right and you know

1036
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,349
well what my girlfriend and I we have

1037
00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:17,440
two heroes Mike in life and that

1038
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:19,720
happened to also have been on a TV show

1039
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:22,089
together that's Destination Truth my

1040
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:24,220
hero is Josh gates and hers is Erin

1041
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:26,890
Ryder and I recently had the opportunity

1042
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:29,650
to interview writer on your blog how is

1043
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,480
that how is it to interview someone like

1044
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:34,480
of that stature so visible within the

1045
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:36,700
UFO realm and beyond and what did you

1046
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:39,400
two discuss on the blog that was awesome

1047
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:40,780
because it was the first like big name

1048
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:42,820
in fact that she's been on TV and she's

1049
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:44,290
kind of you know respected in the field

1050
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,089
she doing multiple shows she's a

1051
00:37:51,089 --> 00:37:48,880
producer so and you know for me you know

1052
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,099
usually in journalism whenever I

1053
00:37:55,340 --> 00:37:53,200
interview bands or athletes and you kind

1054
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:55,350
of go through people's

1055
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:56,820
they have publicist and you know

1056
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,890
companies you go through but you know

1057
00:38:01,490 --> 00:38:00,000
I'm just kind of doing this old-school

1058
00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:01,500
style I just reaching out these people

1059
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:03,990
personally and it's just I just reach

1060
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:06,150
out to her and she was down and I was

1061
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:08,280
really humbled when she told me she she

1062
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:10,710
read my site and she really liked it she

1063
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:12,540
really liked my voice and she really

1064
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:13,710
wants her in my book and I was really

1065
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:15,330
like wow I was really surprised by that

1066
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,740
yeah it's funny like you know I put out

1067
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:18,720
the book not yeah I'm not trying to make

1068
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:19,950
a bunch of money just actually have the

1069
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:21,870
book get out there and it's just finally

1070
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:24,030
had people reach out to me I've had two

1071
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:25,520
producers reach out to me before

1072
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:27,960
regarding to potential TV shows that

1073
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:30,540
nothing ever came through both I'm kind

1074
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,220
of fell through but yeah just the power

1075
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:37,020
of having you know a book out there in

1076
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:38,790
the interest so getting somebody Erin

1077
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:40,920
Ryder on board really early I mean that

1078
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:42,930
was one of the first big stories I was

1079
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:44,910
awesome and I just wrote I mean we

1080
00:38:46,580 --> 00:38:46,230
talked about multiple things like one of

1081
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:46,590
them

1082
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:48,390
yeah I saw UFOs she recently attended

1083
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:49,860
Coachella and she actually pretty wrote

1084
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,090
she pretty much for like a mini review

1085
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,220
of her experience there because we did

1086
00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:54,960
the interview via email because she was

1087
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:57,150
super busy and I mean she wrote me

1088
00:39:00,500 --> 00:38:58,680
novels like she gave me so much good

1089
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:00,510
stuff to work with and it's just really

1090
00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:02,370
fascinating just to kind of see how you

1091
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,360
know I kind of want to go behind the

1092
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:05,760
scenes that cash she preps for an

1093
00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:07,080
expedition just because they're so

1094
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:08,670
physically taxing I know she's in great

1095
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:09,870
shape she's you know through involved in

1096
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:11,850
fitness but there's more to it than that

1097
00:39:15,350 --> 00:39:13,770
because you know you could work out all

1098
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,360
you want but when it comes to certain

1099
00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:17,640
physical activities there's other things

1100
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:18,840
you have to do to prepare like for

1101
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:21,930
example you know I play hockey and you

1102
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:23,430
know I could be in the greatest shape in

1103
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:24,630
the world but when you play hockey it's

1104
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,540
a different shape you know are you as

1105
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,800
possible you know you work all these

1106
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:29,940
muscles you never work it and you're

1107
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:30,300
dead

1108
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:32,730
I kind of wanna you know I got her

1109
00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:33,990
perspective of you know what she does to

1110
00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:35,100
prepare for an expedition you know

1111
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:37,080
mentally and physically or something she

1112
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:39,120
she brings to eat you know you know it

1113
00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:40,740
was questions like that you know in

1114
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:42,990
addition to you know the the bigger

1115
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,670
questions about cryptology as a whole

1116
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:46,320
and how its approach and how its looked

1117
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:48,570
at nowadays and her experiences as well

1118
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:50,130
so I try to bring those questions to the

1119
00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:52,410
table to kind of go behind the scenes -

1120
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:54,150
that's really cool man yeah you're

1121
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:56,190
filling in the gaps of like what goes

1122
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,720
into these sorts of things like

1123
00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:00,060
investigations and whatnot you can go

1124
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:02,580
out and look for UFOs in the sky but

1125
00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:04,140
like if you're not bringing any

1126
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:05,670
equipment out there with you like it's

1127
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:07,110
gonna be pretty hard you're gonna see

1128
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:09,210
the moon some stars maybe Venus

1129
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:11,250
that's about it but like like you said

1130
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:13,410
you have to prepare for these types of

1131
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:15,750
things it's not just what you see on TV

1132
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:18,839
like someone going out and just climbing

1133
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,579
a mountain to get somewhere to look for

1134
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:22,319
something there you have to be trained

1135
00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:24,150
in that you have to be trained to scuba

1136
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,369
dive like that there's so much that goes

1137
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:28,680
to it and the fact that you got so down

1138
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,750
to like what she brings out to eat that

1139
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:31,440
that's awesome

1140
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:36,750
yeah probably done just because her

1141
00:40:40,579 --> 00:40:38,609
answers are right it was so in depth it

1142
00:40:42,049 --> 00:40:40,589
really took on it for anyone interested

1143
00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:42,059
in doing an expedition of their own it's

1144
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,470
I think it's a great read to kind of see

1145
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,660
what really goes on and I definitely had

1146
00:40:49,339 --> 00:40:47,040
a got a newfound respect for her as well

1147
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:49,349
just because of how how down-to-earth

1148
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,780
she was not cool she was well here's

1149
00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:53,579
another big name it's the elephant in

1150
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:55,740
the room I know you've interviewed him

1151
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,050
so we got to bring it up my man I was a

1152
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:00,720
huge blink fan more new fun glory

1153
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,300
actually I can but blink is great too

1154
00:41:07,339 --> 00:41:05,520
you've been covering the work of former

1155
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:07,349
blink frontman Tom DeLonge for a while

1156
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:08,970
and I want to hear you've interviewed

1157
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:10,770
him too I want to hear your thoughts on

1158
00:41:15,319 --> 00:41:13,410
this whole tom delonge issue where you

1159
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,329
think it's heading or promised something

1160
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:18,720
from soon early this year I set out to

1161
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,490
do something pretty challenging

1162
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:22,440
I wanted to shift perception on an

1163
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:24,359
extraordinary topic that had already

1164
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,780
over 70 years of research opinion and

1165
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:30,540
frankly quite effective disinformation I

1166
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:32,700
had the rare opportunity to present my

1167
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:34,140
ideas to an executive with the

1168
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,640
Department of Defense who worked in

1169
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:37,680
special access programs in an area

1170
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,619
called Watertown also known as area 51

1171
00:41:44,660 --> 00:41:42,960
that meeting led to multiple clandestine

1172
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,670
encounters across the United States

1173
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,520
from desert airports to vacant buildings

1174
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:49,619
deep within Washington DC from these

1175
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:52,130
exchanges I learned three things one

1176
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:54,210
there are certain things that should

1177
00:41:58,579 --> 00:41:56,910
never have been secret 2 there are

1178
00:42:01,720 --> 00:41:58,589
secrets that were justifiable at the

1179
00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:01,730
time but should now be disclosed and 3

1180
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:04,380
there are things that are so terrifying

1181
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,569
and unimaginable a certain interest

1182
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:08,880
believe that they should never

1183
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,110
we made public after this you might even

1184
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:15,300
agree

1185
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:17,030
well I've interviewed him multiple times

1186
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:19,370
I've met him before I've interviewed him

1187
00:42:23,330 --> 00:42:21,870
I'm kicking myself this I never asked

1188
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,340
him about this topic there's always

1189
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:25,560
music related because at the time it was

1190
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:26,670
money a blink was doing their reunion

1191
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:29,250
tour blink had a new album out another

1192
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:30,030
time was backstages

1193
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:32,040
Angels and Airwaves show so and at the

1194
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:33,630
time he wasn't active I mean he was

1195
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:35,190
always into this stuff but he wasn't you

1196
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:36,570
know writing any books on it so those

1197
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:38,250
questions never came up which I'm really

1198
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:39,780
kicking myself for because I try to get

1199
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,250
close from him last year and it was

1200
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,960
really hard he's a hard guy to come

1201
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:44,880
touch with nowadays just because the

1202
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:46,140
people were handling him you know they

1203
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:47,910
handle them they they're very selective

1204
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:50,250
nowadays it goes beyond being in a band

1205
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,570
anymore I think there's there's more to

1206
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:53,280
it now but no I've been following his

1207
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:54,690
career for you know a long time I'm a

1208
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:57,240
huge fan of his and I've been following

1209
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,290
I've been reading the secret machines

1210
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,760
books and when the first one came out I

1211
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,800
was disappointed that it was it was

1212
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:03,660
fiction but the first one was fiction

1213
00:43:08,810 --> 00:43:06,410
you know is based on real historical

1214
00:43:11,090 --> 00:43:08,820
events and if you read the book you can

1215
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:11,100
actually tell which events they are that

1216
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:13,020
they're kind of weaving in there right

1217
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:15,900
second book is the nonfiction book

1218
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,610
that's written by Peter Levin do you

1219
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:18,960
tell Peter Levin it is that loud the

1220
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:21,030
heavy lifting you tell which parts are

1221
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:22,380
written by Tom and which parts trim up

1222
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:23,730
here you could actually tell like

1223
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:25,710
certain like specific chapters people

1224
00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:28,170
are sue and the book the first book gods

1225
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:31,080
it's a really good they took a big a

1226
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:33,030
very good look at the ancient alien

1227
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,190
theory and the stitching there but from

1228
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:37,560
a more investigative perspective Messing

1229
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,930
they're skeptical about it I think

1230
00:43:43,070 --> 00:43:42,000
there's they take it like I said it's

1231
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:43,080
more of an investigative journalists

1232
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:44,520
approach to it it's a very it's a very

1233
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:48,660
fresh look at it as far as anything you

1234
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:50,130
know cuz Tom's promised a lot you know

1235
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:51,720
he's gone on radio stations

1236
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,610
I mean radio shows like coast to coast

1237
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:55,740
and he's promised a lot of things and

1238
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:57,150
you know he met with high-level

1239
00:44:00,440 --> 00:43:59,010
officials you know he says and we

1240
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:00,450
haven't really seen any of that come out

1241
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:02,040
in any of the books yet there's one

1242
00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:03,510
thing that sticks out in the book gods

1243
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,820
is the only thing that really sticks out

1244
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:07,440
in terms of what tom has learned from

1245
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:10,290
talking these officials is one of things

1246
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:12,930
they said to him is go back to Greek

1247
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:15,030
mythology and dig deeper now I was told

1248
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:16,470
to you by a government official and I

1249
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:17,880
think that's very fascinating because a

1250
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:20,970
lot of people have seen writings on UFOs

1251
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:22,260
that have been written in

1252
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:24,210
almost look like you know the Greek

1253
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:26,010
alphabet so I think that's a really fat

1254
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:27,750
bad bet stood out for me in the book I

1255
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:29,190
mean the rest of the books great it's a

1256
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:31,800
great read my Excel Levin de with Tom I

1257
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:33,330
think they do a really good job of

1258
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:35,910
exploring cultures you know the whole

1259
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:37,830
book is really about the cargo cult idea

1260
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:40,260
right where people are familiar with it

1261
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,609
you know say if you live on an island

1262
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:43,380
and you never seen a plane before and a

1263
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:45,720
plane comes down right you don't know

1264
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:47,609
what a plane is so you're gonna you know

1265
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,810
you're gonna associate that with you

1266
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,520
know so it's a flying giant bird so

1267
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:52,140
lizard it's an angel you know you're

1268
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:53,640
gonna whatever religion the culture can

1269
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,470
associate that way so the the book does

1270
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,119
a really good job of kind of digging

1271
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:00,180
into that kind of cargo cult theory as

1272
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:02,850
well now as far as you know tom has his

1273
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,290
big announcement coming up soon who

1274
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:05,520
knows what it's gonna be about it's been

1275
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:06,470
being delayed

1276
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:09,450
he's known before to delay multiple

1277
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,510
project because again yeah he tackled

1278
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,460
he's crazy in the sensory tackles so

1279
00:45:17,570 --> 00:45:16,680
much at the same time and no disrespect

1280
00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:17,580
for the people that are working with

1281
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,350
them but I feel like his team isn't big

1282
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,420
enough to kind of handle yeah it's a

1283
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,800
small operation to kind of handle

1284
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:24,960
everything he has going on and that's

1285
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:26,310
not a slight at them that just you know

1286
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,660
it's a lot it's a lot going on

1287
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:29,160
apparently you know they shot

1288
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:30,660
documentary there's a virtual

1289
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:32,250
documentary coming out and that's what

1290
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:33,270
I'm really stoked to see where he's

1291
00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:35,580
actually interviewing these people on

1292
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,340
camera so that's what I'm really looking

1293
00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:40,920
forward to seeing I defended Tom a lot I

1294
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:42,270
just feel a lot of people are trying to

1295
00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:43,530
call him like a profiteer

1296
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:45,030
saying he's trying to like profit off

1297
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:46,920
profit of ufology and I don't believe

1298
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,350
that for a second I mean he's he doesn't

1299
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:51,060
make much money off you know people like

1300
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:52,500
oh well you know he's trying to sell

1301
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:54,450
t-shirts and I'm like first of all if

1302
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:55,859
you know how anything how books and

1303
00:46:01,040 --> 00:45:57,690
t-shirt worlds he's worked you don't

1304
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,050
make much money off yeah yeah and I mean

1305
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:03,359
Tom set for life in terms of money you

1306
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:04,950
know he could go on you get back with

1307
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,050
point go on one tour and make a million

1308
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:08,880
dollars and there's some so he's not

1309
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:10,140
doing it for the money I really think

1310
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:11,940
it's harsh in the right place whether he

1311
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:15,090
comes through or not you know I think

1312
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,950
that's that's the question but the fact

1313
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:18,720
that you can't fault him for trying and

1314
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:21,240
I think he's trying to bring he really

1315
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,210
brings up this idea that you know it's a

1316
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,200
that they're trying to get this stuff

1317
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,119
out there through through works of you

1318
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:28,560
know movies and fiction and nonfiction

1319
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:31,170
to raise awareness I could kind of see

1320
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,790
that I just wish it was all nonfiction

1321
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:35,040
but I kind of guess where if you look at

1322
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:35,579
a thing

1323
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:36,900
just through time and you know Hollywood

1324
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,150
you know so much you know there's been

1325
00:46:43,819 --> 00:46:41,640
UFO movies for years that Hollywood has

1326
00:46:45,259 --> 00:46:43,829
done and in a way that's kind of spread

1327
00:46:47,299 --> 00:46:45,269
awareness as well whether it's you know

1328
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,309
even though these are fiction pieces you

1329
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:49,920
know so I can't again I kind of get it

1330
00:46:53,449 --> 00:46:52,140
you know the whole well you know we're

1331
00:46:55,279 --> 00:46:53,459
doing this to spread awareness I get

1332
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:55,289
that I'm sure looking forward to the

1333
00:47:00,319 --> 00:46:58,380
next two Seger machines books the the

1334
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,329
the nonfiction ones those are the ones

1335
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:03,119
I'm looking for correct yeah same here

1336
00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:05,099
and the documentary and we know you know

1337
00:47:10,219 --> 00:47:08,009
he's east teased photos that and we know

1338
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,229
from the WikiLeaks as well that he did

1339
00:47:14,539 --> 00:47:12,420
interview Podesta on this so that'll be

1340
00:47:15,949 --> 00:47:14,549
really interesting so I think he

1341
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:15,959
definitely has credibility that people

1342
00:47:19,489 --> 00:47:17,700
don't give him you know thank you well

1343
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:19,499
she he should have one UFO researcher of

1344
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,209
the year I might look best that's

1345
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:23,160
arbitrary you know that's yeah they're

1346
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:24,930
just award you know at the same you know

1347
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:27,180
he should be I think if anything people

1348
00:47:31,009 --> 00:47:29,130
should be happy that you know he's using

1349
00:47:34,009 --> 00:47:31,019
his celebrity and his resources

1350
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:34,019
financial resources to try to get some

1351
00:47:37,339 --> 00:47:35,339
truth out there like I said whether he

1352
00:47:39,130 --> 00:47:37,349
comes through or not but I mean you know

1353
00:47:41,989 --> 00:47:39,140
you can't can't blame him for trying

1354
00:47:43,579 --> 00:47:41,999
exactly you know we I think we're lucky

1355
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,589
to have someone of his prominence

1356
00:47:47,749 --> 00:47:45,359
looking into the topic and it's clear

1357
00:47:49,729 --> 00:47:47,759
from when he does interviews or when he

1358
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:49,739
talks about it that he has done more

1359
00:47:56,209 --> 00:47:53,390
than enough homework to to earn those

1360
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:56,219
individuals who have disclosed some

1361
00:48:00,949 --> 00:47:59,160
possible truths to him know you know the

1362
00:48:03,529 --> 00:48:00,959
whole idea that he might be some sort of

1363
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:03,539
you know Patsy excuse me in terms of

1364
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:06,930
that we've yet to see I I hope that's

1365
00:48:12,709 --> 00:48:09,390
not the case but he is more deserving

1366
00:48:14,509 --> 00:48:12,719
than most to to do this sort of project

1367
00:48:16,219 --> 00:48:14,519
so I agree with you the dude doesn't

1368
00:48:18,859 --> 00:48:16,229
need the money there's no reason for him

1369
00:48:22,099 --> 00:48:18,869
to a profit from any of this and if

1370
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:22,109
anything as we both know this can be a

1371
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:25,890
big slash on your reputation this whole

1372
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:28,440
topic so and we've seen it already in

1373
00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:30,329
mainstream media how they cover Tom

1374
00:48:34,969 --> 00:48:32,789
DeLonge in UFOs you know calling him a

1375
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:34,979
nut and this and that but he it's clear

1376
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:37,410
he doesn't give a [\h__\h] you know he loves

1377
00:48:40,969 --> 00:48:39,089
his topic he finds it fascinating and

1378
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:40,979
he's gonna do what he can to get to the

1379
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,920
highest levels that he can as well the

1380
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:45,900
simple fact that he walked away from you

1381
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:46,920
know when the largest bands in the world

1382
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:49,260
to do this should speak volumes about

1383
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,680
is uh you know he's in you know he's in

1384
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,200
this you know this is just like said she

1385
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:57,180
speak volumes about his integrity in

1386
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:58,650
terms of the subject to walk away from

1387
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:00,420
blinken although all the money and all

1388
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:02,460
the accolades that go with being in a

1389
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:05,400
band that big agreed my man alright well

1390
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:07,650
we'll leave it at that I know it's a hot

1391
00:49:13,310 --> 00:49:09,810
issue we'll see what he brings forward

1392
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:13,320
but in terms of ufology that word which

1393
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:16,920
is not a real a real word we have to

1394
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,350
make that you know clear to everyone my

1395
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:21,180
good friend Peter Robin so he says to be

1396
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,890
a ufologist spin around three times

1397
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:24,960
touch your nose and you're done you're a

1398
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:28,320
ufologist what what do you think brother

1399
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:32,130
what is ufology is it a thing or what

1400
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:33,450
should it be

1401
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:35,730
I'm putting you on the spot again that's

1402
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:37,170
a tough one I think that's kind of

1403
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,240
something where I always like to say

1404
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,280
cryptozoology I don't use the word you

1405
00:49:47,090 --> 00:49:44,400
ethology you f ology often just because

1406
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:47,100
it never really resonated with me like

1407
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:49,350
cryptozoology does cryptology to me is

1408
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:51,060
more it's a little more science space

1409
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:51,960
you know there's actually people with

1410
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:54,690
cryptozoology degrees and but i think

1411
00:49:58,460 --> 00:49:56,430
the fact that i like the thing i like

1412
00:50:00,860 --> 00:49:58,470
about the idea of the UFO just is kind

1413
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,870
of anyone can do it which kind of goes

1414
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:02,400
back to punk-rock right anyone could

1415
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,630
play punk rock music you don't have to

1416
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:06,000
be the best musician you know if you

1417
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:07,770
follow just you don't have to be you

1418
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:08,850
know the smartest guy there you want to

1419
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:10,110
be a scientist I think you just have to

1420
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:12,150
be you have to have an interest in this

1421
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:15,330
topic and a passion for it and the you

1422
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:19,020
know the the the power to you know have

1423
00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:20,460
the integrity just to stand up for your

1424
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:22,470
beliefs and especially you know with a

1425
00:50:26,660 --> 00:50:24,900
topic like this where it's not you know

1426
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:26,670
widely mainstreamed and you know it's

1427
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:29,010
not fully accepted I I can't think of a

1428
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,990
better way to sort of put it all

1429
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,880
together in terms of like what you're

1430
00:50:38,090 --> 00:50:34,920
doing that there was a perfect wrap-up

1431
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:38,100
but uh before we wrap up I wanted to

1432
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:39,630
talk a little bit about you have a

1433
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:42,180
playlist in the back ear book of some

1434
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:44,610
songs that inspire you or had something

1435
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:47,250
to do with UFOs and aliens could you

1436
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:49,230
give us a few of those songs and what

1437
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:51,630
they they sort of represent to you sure

1438
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:53,730
well it's funny so I included the

1439
00:50:57,980 --> 00:50:55,230
playlist and also in the back included

1440
00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:57,990
like a glossary of your just kind of a

1441
00:51:02,830 --> 00:51:01,220
little terms for people

1442
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:02,840
who may not be familiar with

1443
00:51:06,310 --> 00:51:05,390
cryptozoology or UFO's and so when I was

1444
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:06,320
coming up with a book I really thought

1445
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,790
it would be kind of a cool type of

1446
00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:09,440
coffee table book you would get at Urban

1447
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:10,820
Outfitters and that's what I kind of

1448
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:12,230
pitch to the publisher away hey let's

1449
00:51:16,089 --> 00:51:14,090
get at Urban Outfitters like I think

1450
00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:16,099
it'd be kind of like a cool type of you

1451
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:17,060
know I think that would kind of work

1452
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:19,130
with that type of vibe and I thought you

1453
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,210
know that's why I included like the

1454
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:22,400
playlist the glossary and yes I'm the

1455
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,690
songs in there I mean something ran

1456
00:51:27,609 --> 00:51:25,520
obvious you know play 20 lines exists

1457
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:27,619
there's there's some more obscure songs

1458
00:51:32,170 --> 00:51:29,450
like the wormhole expressed by an artist

1459
00:51:34,839 --> 00:51:32,180
and Kari Jeb he's an indie artist from

1460
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:34,849
the he's from Wyoming he's a friend of

1461
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,230
mine as well and he's really into this

1462
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:38,960
stuff too and he writes songs yet about

1463
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:40,730
about this topic as well you saw fall a

1464
00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:41,359
new home

1465
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:43,300
that sounds basically it's about a UFO

1466
00:51:59,860 --> 00:51:46,890
exploring new territory it's really cool

1467
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:09,860
[Music]

1468
00:52:42,499 --> 00:52:40,380
there's some hip-hop songs in there too

1469
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,509
like nas we're not alone I mean a lot of

1470
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:43,680
people don't really know that that's

1471
00:52:46,099 --> 00:52:45,569
what the song is about so that's another

1472
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:46,109
one

1473
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:53,880
people shouldn't check out a spacecraft

1474
00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:56,729
in the skyline and LA in daytime X horse

1475
00:53:01,099 --> 00:52:58,910
of online evidence remains in today

1476
00:53:03,769 --> 00:53:01,109
documents of our own air force base

1477
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:03,779
additional terrestrial information of

1478
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:05,670
the planets with life population my

1479
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,890
observation scientists study pictures of

1480
00:53:11,420 --> 00:53:09,599
a flying disc right an earth man

1481
00:53:15,699 --> 00:53:11,430
topologists upon of [\h__\h] visitors

1482
00:53:19,699 --> 00:53:17,929
there's misfits I turned into a Martian

1483
00:53:21,709 --> 00:53:19,709
you have set the remote its cruising

1484
00:53:22,969 --> 00:53:21,719
weasel to out of early pop punk and punk

1485
00:53:24,259 --> 00:53:22,979
rock bands as well so yeah those are

1486
00:53:27,289 --> 00:53:24,269
some of the songs on there that's

1487
00:53:29,269 --> 00:53:27,299
awesome yeah I I immediately downloaded

1488
00:53:31,429 --> 00:53:29,279
all of them after I finished reading

1489
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,439
your book it's great it's great to know

1490
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,359
that there's so many musicians out there

1491
00:53:38,479 --> 00:53:35,880
who've either had UFO sightings and that

1492
00:53:41,890 --> 00:53:38,489
inspired their work or vice versa we

1493
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:41,900
know people like Rihanna even as a child

1494
00:53:46,939 --> 00:53:44,249
went out and sky watched every night

1495
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:46,949
looking for UFOs so it really runs the

1496
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:49,079
gamut in terms of music and this topic

1497
00:53:53,179 --> 00:53:51,209
and I think it's a lovely relationship

1498
00:53:55,669 --> 00:53:53,189
and we're only gonna get more of it as

1499
00:53:58,130 --> 00:53:55,679
the possibility of alien life becomes

1500
00:54:00,439 --> 00:53:58,140
more of a reality I think well Mike

1501
00:54:02,749 --> 00:54:00,449
where where can we find the book the

1502
00:54:04,969 --> 00:54:02,759
website give it all to us man because I

1503
00:54:06,919 --> 00:54:04,979
am eating this stuff up I look forward

1504
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:06,929
to everything you're cranking out and I

1505
00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:08,609
know the listeners will to you so what

1506
00:54:13,669 --> 00:54:10,799
can we find you thank you alright so

1507
00:54:16,279 --> 00:54:13,679
punk rock in UFOs calm there's a link to

1508
00:54:17,299 --> 00:54:16,289
order the book on the website you can

1509
00:54:19,729 --> 00:54:17,309
also see it on amazon and

1510
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:19,739
barnesandnoble.com as well you get on

1511
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,170
iTunes and Kindle I mean you find me on

1512
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:26,160
Twitter at Mike Demonte mi ke D a.m. and

1513
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:26,670
te

1514
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:30,689
kind of found one do more the same like

1515
00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:32,729
for example the lace story I put out

1516
00:54:34,279 --> 00:54:33,869
today was from a band called they're

1517
00:54:37,699 --> 00:54:34,289
called

1518
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:37,709
Roswell kid and the spelling is

1519
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:39,209
different but I had to interview them

1520
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:41,729
and the the name does come from wozmak

1521
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,410
Roswell New Mexico because as a kid one

1522
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:44,880
of the guys in the band was heavy into

1523
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:46,650
this stuff as well so I kind of get his

1524
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:48,700
take on you know Roswell and the

1525
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:50,470
the new theory about it I just published

1526
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:52,750
that today yes I'm gonna interview more

1527
00:54:56,130 --> 00:54:54,130
people in the field I'm gonna talk to

1528
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:56,140
Erica Luke's I think next week for a

1529
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:58,450
feature as well cuz she's on that show

1530
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:00,220
or UFO's the lost evidence which I

1531
00:55:03,059 --> 00:55:01,900
think's rude I can't believe I've been

1532
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:03,069
sleeping on the show I think he's only

1533
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:04,780
been out for about a year maybe I think

1534
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:09,369
so yeah yeah yeah yeah it's so good I

1535
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:11,410
kind of want to talk to her about that I

1536
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:12,910
have some other ideas too that I'm kind

1537
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:15,130
of kicking around as well in terms for

1538
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,900
the website people I want to interview

1539
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,400
I interviewed Gregg Grafton from Bad

1540
00:55:24,299 --> 00:55:20,319
Religion last year and I have his take

1541
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,309
on UFOs the universe is vast and

1542
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:27,040
obviously there's you know I'm not an

1543
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:29,140
expert on on this at all

1544
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,540
but just by probability alone it seems

1545
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:33,520
there must be I know that that's level

1546
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,309
one reasoning but it seems there must be

1547
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:39,280
other planets like us that are amenable

1548
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:43,210
to to life of some sort whether it's

1549
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:45,160
intelligent or not is another question

1550
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:49,119
I don't believe humans are the only you

1551
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,470
know humans are not an inevitable

1552
00:55:56,019 --> 00:55:52,400
product of evolution

1553
00:55:57,549 --> 00:55:56,029
so I its that means it's less I'm the

1554
00:56:00,819 --> 00:55:57,559
probability skill that there are other

1555
00:56:03,309 --> 00:56:00,829
human-like organisms okay and he has a

1556
00:56:04,839 --> 00:56:03,319
really interesting take on it eventually

1557
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,849
I want to talk to Tom Balaji again

1558
00:56:09,009 --> 00:56:06,640
that'd be great if I could eventually

1559
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:09,019
set that up someday

1560
00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:10,910
I have also you know the gears are

1561
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:12,380
starting to kick in to start to write

1562
00:56:16,569 --> 00:56:14,930
another punk rock in UFOs book I kind of

1563
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:16,579
want to take the ideas I have in the

1564
00:56:19,989 --> 00:56:18,170
first one and kind of expand on them

1565
00:56:21,970 --> 00:56:19,999
just because the first book is very

1566
00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:21,980
theory based and I kind of want to have

1567
00:56:25,210 --> 00:56:23,630
another book that's that kind of beefs

1568
00:56:26,769 --> 00:56:25,220
up some of those arguments in terms of

1569
00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:26,779
having a little more research behind it

1570
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,480
about how we you know how we process

1571
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:30,799
things in our lives and how we

1572
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,809
internalize things so that though the

1573
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:34,400
gears are kind of rolling in my head to

1574
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:36,140
you know possibly another punk rock in

1575
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,089
UFOs book I have some other books that

1576
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,920
I've been kind of sleeping on that are

1577
00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:42,079
almost finished I have a fiction book

1578
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:44,900
about Bigfoot which is almost done but

1579
00:56:50,529 --> 00:56:48,220
it's it's based on kind of you know real

1580
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,539
cryptozoology and real sightings as well

1581
00:56:53,859 --> 00:56:52,400
as kind of based around that and that's

1582
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:53,869
just something that I'm just teach

1583
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:55,130
chapters away from finishing I pretty

1584
00:56:58,029 --> 00:56:56,569
much wrote the majority of it during my

1585
00:57:00,910 --> 00:56:58,039
spring break because I teach full time

1586
00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:00,920
so during my spring break I wrote pretty

1587
00:57:03,729 --> 00:57:02,390
much that whole book so those are some

1588
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:03,739
things I have on the horizon I have to

1589
00:57:09,999 --> 00:57:07,400
finish them and find homes for them yeah

1590
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:10,009
that's always the tough fire but you are

1591
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:12,049
working harder than most people out

1592
00:57:15,789 --> 00:57:13,640
there Matt in this topic so I have no

1593
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,799
doubt you're you if you haven't already

1594
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:17,839
you're gonna explode in this field and

1595
00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:20,809
it's an honor for to finally have gotten

1596
00:57:24,759 --> 00:57:23,180
you on here I love the book I can't wait

1597
00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:24,769
to see what comes next

1598
00:57:28,809 --> 00:57:26,599
and I can't thank you enough for coming

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on today No thank you so much so he's an

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absolute honor you're one of the guys I

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went up to in terms of this field just

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cuz I'm relatively new to it in the

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sense you know I've always been

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interested in it but I still feel like

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I'm relatively new to the choral quote

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scene and you're definitely one of the

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guys that I looked up to you from the

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start and to be on be showcasing your

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show is really rad and uh thank you I

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really appreciate it

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oh thanks man we shall fall and rise

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together first alright take care Mike

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alright that is it for this week's

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episode guys please check out Mike's

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work at punk rock in ufos dot-com you

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could find his book there and all his

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if i guys Ryan sprite here before hi

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guys Ryan sprite here before we get to

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this week's episode I want to take a

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quick moment to thank some people for

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make the show better in quality and

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of mine and it means the world to me to

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have you on board so if you're at all

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[Music]

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this is somewhere in the skies with

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Ryan's birth

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[Music]

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all you need is one guy or girl to stand

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up and say [\h__\h] this and everyone goes

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voice of a generation thank you I've

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been thinking that I never had the guts

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to stand up and say it

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you only need 5% or less to like embrace

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ideas and change it you know change the

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way people think all over again it

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becomes a lineage these people find each

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other in this timeline gross

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this has been a third kind production to